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 Post subject: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:55 pm 
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Looking for help in determining if information on Ancestry is correct regarding John Thorn and Ann Willar/Wheeler of Lower Island Cove married in 1831.

I am not a member of Ancestry nor can I access it, however I received information that there are TWO family trees on Ancestry for John Thorn and Ann Willar/Wheeler.

One of the trees has John Thorn b. 1804 as son of William Thorn and Ann Burrage of New Harbour Trinity Bay .

The other tree has John Thorn b.1801 in Westleigh, Devon, England and Died in 1875 at Lower Island Cove, Conception Bay, Newfoundland. It has Ann Willar being Born in 1814 at Cornwall, England. It also has a child Mary Ann Thorn born 28 May 1845 in Newfoundland. It lists the 1851 England census as they were living at Fremington, Devon , England. It also lists John Thorn as death at Lower Island Cove Newfoundland in 1875.

As I can't get into Ancestry would anyone have ANY information on either of those TREES and or can get me in touch with their contributors. Can Anyone access the 1851 England Census for these areas to see if there is any information there on John Thorne and family?

Thank you for your help
Len Thorne


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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
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Len,
I am not connected to this family. This is in response to your request about the 1851 England Census for Fremington, Devon.
It lists John Thorne, Head, Married, age 50 yrs.; born Westleigh;
Ann, wife, age 37, born Cornwall;
Mary, daughter, age 17;
John, son, age 13,
Eliza, daughter, age 12;
Ann, daughter, age 7;
William, son, age 4;
Richard, son, age 3;
Ellen, daughter, age 1.
All children listed as born in Fremington.
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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
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The following are children of John Thorne and Ann Wheeler/Willar born at Lower Island Cove. I believe that The 1851 census in England are not the same people. Close resemblence but not the same.
Thank you very much for your help and assistance, I appreciate it.


Children of JOHN THORNE and ANN WILLAR are:
2. i. WILLIAM2 THORNE, b. 17 Aug 1834, Lower Island Cove, NL; d. 08 May
1883, Whales Brook, NL.
3. ii. JOHN THORNE, b. 22 Sep 1836, Lower Island Cove, NL.
4. iii. CALEB THORNE, b. 22 Jul 1839, Lower Island Cove, NL; d. May 1891, Lower
Island Cove.
iv. MARTHA THORNE, b. 04 Aug 1842, Lower Island Cove, NL.
5. v. MARY THORNE, b. 28 May 1845, Lower Island Cove, NL; d. 1895.
vi. GEORGE THORNE, b. 22 Jan 1852, Lower Island Cove, NL.


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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
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Hi Len,
I agree about the 1851 Census Thorns - they are also listed on the 1841 and 1861 Census with two more children by then.
The tree with this info (England Census bit) has no sources other than just that.
There are several trees mentioning a John Thorn's parents as being William Thorn and Ann Burrage but most have very little depth to them and no sources. I did find one that had the source as St. Paul's Anglican Church, Trinity Bay - these being on this site under Parishes. This particular John's wife is Agnes not Ann - and they have children different from those you mention so I believe another different family. I did check and found this particular John's birth, baptism, marriage, etc. in the St. Paul's records on this site.
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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
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Yes, Thank you for that. My John Thorn of Lower Island Cove is a mystery. There is no mention of him in that area before his marriage to Ann Willar. I have no info on where he came from, no clues in any of the documents I've found. There are no hints in his marriage certificate, it just says "of Lower Island Cove" even though there are no other Thorne's in the area. When he died it just says again "of Lower Island Cove", again the only Thorne's in the area are his children.

The only other documents that may shed some light are Merchant Fishing records for that area, of which I can't locate.

Thanks again for your interest.


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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
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Len, I have some info on both John Thornes in my database - unfortunately some of this is not cited because the info was provided as is. I hope it helps in your search. Cheers, Jennifer

First Generation

1. John THORNE 1 was born about 1805. He died on 30 Jun 1875 in Lower Island Cove, NL.

John married Ann WHEELER 2 daughter of William WHEELER and Sarah JOHNSON on 04 Sep 1831 in Lower Island Cove, NL. Ann was born about 1810 in Lower Island Cove, NL.

They had the following children:

2 M i. William THORNE 3 was born on 17 Aug 1834 in Lower Island Cove, NL. He was christened4 on 17 Aug 1834 in LIC UC.
William married Agnes DRISCOLL daughter of John DRISCOLL and Mary COLLINS on 15 May 1857 in Lower Island Cove, NL. Agnes was born about 1839 in Lower Island Cove, NL.

3 F ii. Benjamin THORNE was born about 1835 in Lower Island Cove, NL.

4 M iii. John THORNE 5 was born6 on 22 Sep 1836 in Lower Island Cove, NL. He was christened7 on 13 Nov 1837 in LIC UC.
John married Sarah JOHNSON on 26 Aug 1859 in Lower Island Cove, NL. Sarah was born about 1840 in Job's Cove, NL.

5 M iv. Caleb THORNE 8 was born9 on 22 Jul 1839 in Lower Island Cove, NL. He was christened10 on 28 Oct 1839 in LIC UC. He died in May 1891 in Lower Island Cove, NL.
Caleb married Elizabeth CULLIMORE daughter of John CULLIMORE and Martha REID on 23 Dec 1867 in Lower Island Cove, NL. Elizabeth was born on 11 Apr 1844 in Catalina, NL. She died on 31 Mar 1931 in Lower Island Cove, NL.

6 F v. Martha THORNE 11 was born12 on 04 Aug 1842 in Lower Island Cove, NL. She was christened13 on 23 Oct 1843 in LIC UC.

7 F vi. Mary Ann THORNE 14 was born15 on 28 May 1845 in Lower Island Cove, NL. She was christened16 on 24 Aug 1845 in LIC UC. She died on 14 Dec 1875 in Lower Island Cove, NL.
Mary married John ROGERS 17 son of Henry ROGERS and Elizabeth LEWIS on 13 Jun 1868 in Lower Island Cove, NL. John was born18,19 on 24 Feb 1842 in Lower Island Cove, NL. He was christened20 on 10 Jul 1842 in LIC UC. He died on 25 Oct 1922 in Lower Island Cove, NL.

8 M vii. George THORNE was born on 22 Jan 1852 in Lower Island Cove, NL. He was christened on 28 Nov 1852 in Lower Island Cove, NL.

9 F viii. Rose Ann THORNE was born about 1853 in Lower Island Cove, NL. She died on 16 Nov 1875 in Lower Island Cove, NL.


First Generation

1. William THORNE 1,2 was born3 about 1770 in New Harbour, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland.

MARRIAGE:

1. Per the NGB's transcription of St. Paul's Anglican Parish, Trinity, Trinity Bay Parish Records of Marriages 1779-1808:

"1798 - May 24 - married Richard Thorn and Ann Quarry both of New Harbour in this district

The same day were married William Thorne and Ann Burrage both of New Harbour in this District"


William married6,7 Anne BURRAGE 4,5 on 24 May 1799 in St. Paul's Anglican Church, Trinity, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland. Anne was born8,9 in New Harbour, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland. She died10 on 16 Jan 1871 in Up In The Sound, Newfoundland.

They had the following children:

2 M i. John THORNE 11,12 was born13,14,15 in Feb 1801. He was christened16 on 25 Aug 1803 in New Harbour, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland. He was buried17 on 05 Jan 1887.

CHRISTENING:

1. Per the NGB's transcription of St. Paul's Anglican Parish, Trinity, Trinity Bay Parish Records of Baptisms
for 1801-1805:

" 1803 - Aug 25 - A Son to WM. & ANN THORN of New Harbour Pub'y. Named JOHN Aged 2 years 6
months."

JLB, this would put his birth at about Feb 1801

BURIAL:

1. Per NGB's Burial Records for New Harbour Church of England:

Burial Date: Jan 5 1887
Name: John Thorn
Age: 85
Place: (blank)
Other Info: (blank)

JLB, if born about Feb 1801, age at death is accurate.


3 F ii. Sarah THORNE 18 died19 on 11 Apr 1871 in Trinity, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland.
Sarah married James PEDDLE 20 . James was born21 in 1810 in Trinity East, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland. He died22 on 08 Jun 1869 in Trinity, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland.


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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:33 am 
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Thank you for your reply. I've checked this before and can't find any connection, I believe DNA will be required in this matter.
Do you have any connection to John Thorn ?

There is one correction I would make, my great grandmother Agnes Driscoll's parents are Michael Driscoll and Ann Champion of Lower Island Cove. Michael died Jan 18, 1839. Ann remarried on may 14, 1840 to Henry Knapman Lower Island Cove.

Thanks for your interest
Len


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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:53 am 
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Y-DNA testing(FAMILYTREEDNA) has been completed on Thorne originating from John Thornton/Thorne 1760's of New Harbour and Thorne of Brownsdale,Trinity Bay, originating from John Thorn of Lower Island Cove 1831.

The results show NO MATCH, Thorne of New Harbour are not related to Thorne of Brownsdale/Lower Island Cove. (If only a Torbay Thorne would get tested)


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 Post subject: Re: John Thorn b. abt 1804 Lower Island Cove
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I found the following marriage in the Roman Catholic Records of Hr Grace ;

William Thorn married Marian Kane on July 1st 1816 (I believe this to be Mary Anne Keane as they show up later on as witnesses to other weddings as such)


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